Sunday, March 6, 2011

AN OLD NATION COMING OF AGE - YES BUT UNFORTUNATLY PENSION AGE - NOW WILL WALES GET A FREE BUS PASS OR GO FOR SOME RADICAL REPUBLICAN REJUVENATION?


''Today an old nation came of age." Deputy First Minister and Plaid leader Ieuan WynJones... Politicians promised a new era in devolution after the referendum - a ... Deputy First Minister Ieuan Wyn Jones said the result had “shown that the ... law-making powers - with the only No vote coming from Monmouthshire. ...
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But do not count your chickens before they are hatched:

An old nation came of age: Wales Yes Vote | Laura Trefor's Blog

5 Mar 2011 ... An old nation came of age: Wales Yes Vote ... But today lets celebrateComing of Age in 2011. ;-). Diolch yn Fawr. Cymru am byth ...
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This post is puts out some of my early thinking on the 'Yes Vote' but also makes available to a wider public the views on the 3 March 'Yes' Referendum Result by Nationalists 'pundits' and Plaid Cymru Camp Follower and Party Hacks and a few of the more Independant mind if not motivation to be in fore of a for real Independance Struggle anymore but choose to be just back seat Literati onlookers as example:

WalesHome.org — Independent analysis from and about Wales

4 Mar 2011 ... A Peruvian paradise; Referendum result liveblog; Time to turn ...
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Although such are far from being just pointless 'Patriotic Fringers' and the usual run of mill 'Facebook Fencibles who have no real 'deep thought' on anything but can only knee jerk patriotism. There are also such Radical Nationalist thinkers/Writters as Roy Jones and Alwyn ap Huw who do have worth while things to say, even if I do not agree with all they have to say!
I am going to go too deep into it all for now, I am still trying to work out if the glass is half empty or half full? There is so much to digest, not least like Alwyn ap Huw aka 'Misarable Old Fart', I too was suprised by many aspects of the result and much preferred to see a 'YES' wrote large over Wales than 'NO' despite my calling for an abstain Campaign and then encouraing an Independance Vote.

Miserable Old Fart

- 16 visits - 3 Mar
05/03/2011 .... The result of the debate will mean that the Government will change some of its policies ... in perpetuity that the March 3rd referendum result was won unfairly, .... Anyone wishing to spend more than £10000 in the referendum must ....Since I was born there have been 9 Welsh referenda, 5 of which I ...miserableoldfart.blogspot.com/ - Cached - Similar

I could not bring myself to call for a 'No Vote' and be in company of UKIP and BNP as for 'True Wales' is a different matter, for the most part they are Welsh and are as much entitled to air their good 'Devolution' and awful 'Unionist' Views as are the three other, or is that four, maybe five? Political 'Unionist' Parties. Myself agree with much that Alwyn, Roy and other Nationalists had to say, regards 'True Wales' but they just went too far in their over trusting of the 'Gang of Four' delivering, then there is Plaid Cymru and the matter of Independance. It will be interesting to see how much space they give the 'I' word in fourth coming Assembly Elections?

Saturday, 5 March 2011. GOODBYE TRUE WALES. We, the Welsh people, have delivered a conclusive endorsement of ... Jac o' the North: Land of Lost Content ...
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As for 'True Wales' best now disappear, learn from Ian Paisley and Ulster Unionism, there really is no future in 'No Surrender!'. Time for Rachel Banner to do her self a big favour now, do not go down the road of a latter day Monmouthshire Ian Paisley but come to terms with much. As continue to advance True Devolution and make of True Wales not another 'Nethanderal' Group but rather an ASSEMBLY WATCH. This way do Wales and your worries about True Devolution a big favour in good service to people of Wales. Unlike Jac O' North I am not so hostile to Rachel Banner, she had guts and detirmination, her delivery was for most part good but the case she had to make went off track into mutterings about ''Office Space and Potted Plants''. Rather than seeing Rachel Banner 'Kicked into Touch' with only a few reservations I feel she could have a part to play in developing post Referendum Wales as an healthy devolving democracy.

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However, in fairness below is an opposite view. My view is that between the two arguements there must be a reasonable and rational way of fowarding a case for a devolving democracy and neither go down an old 'Ulster Unionist' road or follow the urge of nationalists to centralise the dream of freedom and just to create a 'Nation State', see set up a over burdensome bureaucratic mini Welsh Whitehall in 'Bae Bradwyr Caerdydd - Senedd Free State'

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If Radical Nationalists are to slag off True Wales for being 'Unionists', then what of the likes of the Lord Protector Dafydd Elis Thomas with his love of English Royalty and Anglican High Church Religion, Preference to 'Multi - Cultural Civic State' over Nationalism and opposition to Independance plus not least disparaging of Baneri Glyndwr. Very soon you will see him again at the 'Senedd Free State' Assembly grovelling before the English Queen. By way did he get an invite to that Wedding? I count this 'Welsh Machiavelli' far more a Bradwr than Rachel Banner, get your patriotic priorities in order? Not least who preach but do not actually practise the politics of for real radical Independance struggle but for most part are Plaid Party Hacks as perhaps the below:

Independence Cymru

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5 Mar 2011 ... On the 3rd of March 2011 we have a chance to change the current law-making process. .... Dialogues, 5 questions à Léna Louarn. 4 hours ago .... SIGN OF THE TIMES INWALES. PLOUGHING THE FURROW TO INDEPENDENCE ...
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Valleys Mam

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    4 Mar 2011 ... The referendum commitment had to be included, he said, because that ... I call myself a Welsh nationalist, but it doesn't follow that I believe that ... I'vecommentedbefore on the apparent emphasis in the Economic Renewal Plan ... themselves to challenge the legitimacy of the result on that basis. ...
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An Old Nation Coming of Age indeed, my self consider that to have been on the 21 June 1404 when after over three years of armed struggle Owain Glyndwr in Machynlleth set up Senedd Glyndwr and thus established Cenedl Glyndwr - Cenedl Cymru Rydd. That was truelly our Nation coming of age, a nation with it's Independance all but secured and just nearly Sovereign Free, how quickly Nationalists forget this and sell their souls to the 'Bae Bradwyr Caerdydd - Senedd Free State'. The Nation that came of age on 21 June 1404 was destroyed, though there was no real final defeat and no real surrender and so in every patriotic heart it should still exist and command patriotic loyalty and alleigiance.

THIS DAY IN WELSH HISTORY 21 JUNE 1404 - Owain Glyndwr Communicates.

17 Jun 2009 ... On or about 21 June 1404, after a successful campaign of less than four years, Owain Glyndŵr, our National Hero had brought an end to over ...owain-glyndwr-embassyllysgenhadaeth.blogspot.com/.../this-day-in-welsh-history-21-june-1404.html -

Most certainly real Welsh Patriots aka Radical Nationalists will see as worth commemorating and celebrating all over Wales, not least in Machynlleth annually. Make it the big Nationalist National Commemoration as it should be. Azincourt 1415 granted Dydd Dewi is just a safty valve for, 'Cambrianista' Tudor Leek eating, Investiture Daffodil and phony Cilt wearing Taffs waving 'Anglican' St David's Yellow Cross flags! By way note no doubt 'No Vote' Monmouthshire will be celebrating madly Henry V and Azincourt 1415 - 2015, what are you patriots going to do about that? HHHhhhmmm!!! Invade Monmouthshire through the year wth Baneri. Glyndwr, not least on your cars as in pictures in OGC blogs, that's called thinking ahead of the game?

Owain Glyndwr Communicates.: EMBASSY ANNOUNCEMENT: COMMEMORATING ...

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10 Jun 2010 ... First of all, make every effort to attend the Gŵyl Glyndŵr in Machynlleth as a way of boycotting the football for a day or two on the ...
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Thus an idea lives on to be restored, a Senedd Glyndwr restored in Machynlleth would be what most radical nationalists wish but have no courage to fight for but rather accept mere a 'middle management' devolution. Myself, however would just as likly give my allegiance to the restoration of the June 1831 Merthyr Commune, as outlined in Red Remembrancer:

RED REMEMBRANCER

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24 Feb 2011 ... RED REMEMBRANCER. A Welsh Radical PLatform: containing information on history of peoples popular and radical political struggles in Wales, ...
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I know which direction I am now heading politically, it's to the left as outlined in blog above. But what of Nationalists? I suspect there are no Radical or Republican Nats at moment and all are now 'Moderate Mats', sorry meant 'nats'. all thinking more of no doubt a 'Coming of Age Party' down in Bae Caerdydd as like possibly imitating below maybe:

Coming-of-age ceremonies were held nationwide Monday, a national holiday, to celebrate the accession to adulthood of those who have reached 20 years old. ...www.japantoday.com/.../national/.../disneyland-celebrates-coming-of-age-day-with-mickey-mouse - Cached - Similar

On the other hand when the first 'Orgiastic Glow' of the 'Yes' result starts to disappear down the drain of Devolution 'Love In' history in the coming Assembly Election blood letting. Post Assembly Election results turns out to be an overwealimg Labour Victory with Assembly very much dominated by 'Hwntws', I suspect radical nats, not least of the rural sort, if not Republican will be seeking some Radical Nationalist Rejuvenation, maybe as follows:

Rejuvenation is the hypothetical reversal of the aging process. Rejuvenation ...
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HHHhhhmmm!!! sounds like good name for a new nationalist group, a National Rejuvenation Party/Movement/Group, some ideas to consider below:

Changes in ways of thinking to promote national rejuvenation ...

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11 Sep 2006 ... Changes in ways of thinking to promote national rejuvenation ...
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1 Party leadership elections; 2 Rejuvenation campaign; 3 Gerakan to take on a new ... On May 12, 2008, former Gerakan vice-president and Wanita national ...
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Though below would be better suited to a Celtic Rejuventaion, towards a Pan Celtic Political Union free of the British State and European Empire?

Filling the leadership void: rejuvenation after revolution | Cirrus

Following revolution, rejuvenation. The ousting of President Mubarak in Egypt has ... Ex-president FW de Klerk and other prominent National Party figures ...
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The Angry Arab News Service » Rejuvenation of Arab nationalism and ...

25 Feb 2011 ... I have argued in public speeches (although I have not published it yet) about "the rejuvenation of Arab nationalism" in the wake of the war ...
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Whatever, consider above along side Information, Views, oppinions from the below:

Jump to Opinion polls and comments‎: A BBC poll released on 1 March 2010 (St. David's Day) found ... A summary table of poll results in advance of the referendumis set out below. ... 25-27 October 2010, YouGov, 49%, 30%, 5%, 15% ...
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5 Mar 2011 ... Dwi'n siwr y bydd rhai o ddarllenwyr blogmenai yn cofio i mi ofyn trwy gyfrwng y blog i Lais Gwynedd wneud datganiad di amwys yn cynghori eu ...
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Other Comments can be found below:

Welsh Assembly Referendum « In the Dark

4 Mar 2011 ... Pontcanna has been a Plaid Cymru (Welsh nationalist party) stronghold ... I've no idea whether that issue contributed significantly to the result. ... Feel free to comment on any of the posts on this blog but comments ...
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The Longlist | Wales Blog Awards

13 Sep 2010 ... Best Welsh Language Blog. Blog Menai .... I also blog in English and have been experimenting with other languages of late. ...walesblogawards.co.uk/2010/09/the-longlist/ - Cached

In passing:

The Welsh powers referendum, the West Lothian Question and the AV ...

Posted on 5 March 2011 by David. Yesterday's resounding 'yes' vote in the referendumabout the Welsh Assembly taking on primary-legislative powers is good ...
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  2. Finally:
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ON PROCESS, EVENTS AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES:NATIONAL IDENTITY ...


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      4 Mar 2011 ... Cardiff today – Riverside councillor, and Cardiff referendum results. Your guide to what's on today - in the news, on the blogs and on the ...      www.guardian.co.uk/.../cardiff-today-new-riverside-councillor-welsh-referendum-results - Cached
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